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Subscribe me to the newsletter. Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. You can click here to Subscribe without commenting. Hi Ray, thanks for quoting Arcade Fitness in the beginning or your article! Our algorithm will compute virtual power from heart rate.
This may be interesting for people stuck at home with no smart trainer during Corona crisis…. Looking forward to reading this! I love that they have a family plan. Great write up. I only noticed pricing in the Peleton write-up. I think it would be beneficial if you could add pricing into each section. Tacx: like I know it!
Like Garmin. A good marriage…. Will do that this weekend. No mention of drafting? I tried riding up Ventoux the other day and it kept crashing. Based on messages from other riders they had the same problem. So I went to Canary Wharf and it was ok there, albeit with some freezes.
Could have been my phone. Does it switch screens automatically? Also they have scheduled races, I need to try that. For Zwift : you could mention Zwiftpower to keep track of your race results.
Let us help answer the Rouvy question for you! It felt weird so changed it back and slogged on pedalling squares! Nope, not in my laptop windows 10 app. I go into training mode and I cannot adjust the reality level in in-ride setting. Hey Dave! Oddly, if i run the program on my andoid tablet, it picks up every sensor on or near the bike. You can find all the different versions of FulGaz and their download links here link to fulgaz.
GC is probably more geared towards folks that want to dive into every detail of the workout and do deep analysis of your metrics. PerfPro is a bit more stripped down, but it comes with a metric shit-ton of workouts to choose from. Yup, I agree that for the core ERG-style functionality, those two are great. Or you can create your own.
Hi Great write-up. I just started using Xert and love it. The way Xert constantly adjust and the way it make you work hard for that next breakthought effort. With Xert you dont need to do that dreaded 20 min.
FTP test. Xert calculate your FTP from all you rides and pretty accurate. I then did a FTP test and it was within 1 watt of what Xert had calculated. I use the Tacx app exclusively for ad hoc workouts.
Basically my coach creates workouts for me to do. It was great because it used to allow you to make quick changes to power through the app. But they cut that feature out in the new version. It sounds like trainer road has this kind of ad hoc feature. Is it also easy to adjust power. Do you have subscription numbers for Trainer Road and the rest of the bunch?
If this past week is any indication, I think the future is super bright for a number of apps. And I think the next month or so will cement long-term interest. I tink RGT is probably the best example of that. When I first started taking screenshots for this 10 days ago, I was seeing barely a dozen users in RGT at any point in the day, on any given course. Yesterday, mid-afternoon EU time, as I was grabbing a few missing screenshots, the numbers per course were riders.
Same goes for apps like Rouvy and others that show user counts per course — huge jumps from my initial screenshots last week to my clean-up round of screenshots yesterday. Bkool is next behind them pretty closely, and then Sufferfest after that a bit back. Beyond that the numbers are significantly smaller. Good to hear that other platforms are doing well, too.
As almost always, variety is a good thing for us as customers. I kinda feared Zwift might be on the way to take a lot of air out of the market. Based on his podcast appearance, it sounded like Jan Frodeno was confident there was a future for Zwift Running.
As an investor she should probably know about their plans? I want to give my money to Trainerroad, the depth of product is amazing and the podcast is genuinely funny as well as informative.
I think the team listened to those people who, during early Zwift, were just banging on about real climbs etc a bit too much.
Additionally the workout function is a bit clunky with you needing to go through a 3rd party. Apps among just about everything in life is about compromises. We need to look at our desires and needs, compare those to the available options, and pick the one that seems to meet those best. So, setting relative priorities is essential and people should choose based on those.
This option saves the time of having to manually upload your workouts into Rouvy to ride them on your smart trainer. Thanks for the update. What would be nice is a sort of App comparison guide like you do for Product hardware.
This way you could pick say Sufferfest and Kinomap and do a direct feature by feature comparison between the two. Its a mind-boggling and rapidly developing environment that could benefit from community input. And short courses can loop e. I think many of us are spending multiple hours trying to figure this stuff out yet for most apps there are insufficient discussion boards out there.
Plus a few of the apps have limited customer support. Perhaps it could be a Supporter only feature?? Thanks so much for that great review of The Sufferfest, Ray. So pleased you enjoyed it and, yes, you really should spend more time in Sufferlandria. More on that here: link to thesufferfest.
Ah, those platforms are like my holy grail or something. Without going into details, we keep getting thrown off track by other, unexpected issues. In the meantime: parts of our app are now available on the web e. I just want to give a shout-out to you and to The Sufferfest in general. I use it exclusively and love it.
Thank you, so much. Keep up the great work! Excellent review. One of the things that the review does not cover in detail is the community aspects of app. As someone who uses the Sufferfest, the online community that mostly congregates on FB, is one of the most valuable and supportive aspects of the app.
The spirit, encouragement, and support that come from the community is really incredible especially around the time they do the Tour of Sufferlandia. Great for those that do, though. Additionally, the online Facebook group is simply awesome. I left Zwift two months Ago, lever looked back. I have been a user of The Sufferfest for a decade and a seasonal user of Rouvy for two years.
I also have tried RGT in its early iteration but gave up when it required two devices to run and while TrainerRoad is excellent for what it is I find the chart format not very motivating.. Zwift is not for everyone and I am one of those.
Plus there are separate videos the Open series, for example that are very good for recovery. I like that the Sufferfest videos can be minimized so that you can do your workout while watching something else like live coverage of races back when we had that sort of thing! With everything The Sufferfest offers—videos, training plans, yoga, strength training and even mental training—it is an excellent value.
For days when I just want to ride and look at scenery, I enjoy using Rouvy. There are regular challenges to motivate you.
The video varies a bit in quality but has improved greatly in the last year. I use Zwift and Rouvy and also have Fulgaz. I use a Windows laptop so Fulgaz is having difficulty staying connected although I need to try again. I like Rouvy as it allows me to travel around the world including places I have traveled. The only issue I have is with the Augmented…the cartoon rider goes at FTP pace…I do not always want to ride that hard. I dumped it a while back and I lost all my levels so having to start over.
It has been a bit boring being limited in course selection in Watopia until I get my levels up…. Hey Chris, did you cancel your account or delete it? If you just canceled, all of your levels and progress should remain.
Pretty comprehensive! Also, I never talk about the Sufferfest because, well, I race. It was honestly one of the biggest draws to me when choosing a platform. Love the detailed write up. For what its worth I have been a TR sub for over 3 years now and just love it. The team, forums, calendar, workout builder, podcast and community are top notch. If you want to get faster it will do that for sure.
For others that want something with a little more interaction zwift group rides are a lot of fun and Fulgaz works well. What about CVRCade, is it still not ready for primetime? I see bloggers mentionning it sometime…. Fun to virtually ride along a marathon course, to see it from a different perspective. Things stretch out, rinse, repeat. I use Garmin, Trainpeaks, Strava, and Zwift. However, I run outdoors so my Garmin updates Training Peaks as well and my bike rides are doubling up and possibly messing up my fitness level in Training Peaks.
Wish I could limit the garmin upload to Training Peaks to run only. Not sure how many other apps that Speed Transmitter works with? Great post, Ray. I can understand how it took so long, but well worth it. Both are fantastic apps, and work well although pairing with Zwift is easier on the companion app than my Mac. I agree that Sufferfest is always hard, and have to psyche myself up before a workout, so Zwift is good to just ride on.
Cheers and stay safe. Hi — Has anyone outside China managed to pay for the subscription to One-Lap? I would like to give it a go I am in the UK. But if you were using a setup like mine, with a wheel-on tacx vortex and vector 3 pedals, would you still disable it? Where I think it makes sense is on very inaccurate trainers. Nice write-up. I still flick between Zwift and TrainerRoad depending on mood, having tried most of them.
Just for info, Kinomap is very unhappy about connecting to Tacx trainers using Bluetooth. So FTMS support is kinda funny these days. Tacx has had the equiv for their trainers, inclusive of the NEO, for years too.
And every app I know of has adopted it. No beta firmware for me there. Are any of the new apps able to provide this same functionality i. Most underappreciated feature of Zwift is the seamless integration with TrainingPeaks.
My coach puts a structured workout into TP, and it shows up that day for me to do in Zwift without me doing a thing. You mention TP integration with Rouvy. I assume that works the same way, but the integration in Zwift is pretty much the single biggest reason that I continue to use it as opposed to TR which seems, in part, to want to be a competitor to TrainingPeaks.
Great — and timely — review, much appreciated. Uniquely, you can add strength straining, yoga and mental toughness some at various levels to your training plan.
This feature allows tremendous variety among the rides since many can be adapted to a specific prescription. Awesome review. I too mainly use TR for last 4 years. Tried sufferfest but novality wore off on me.
Think seasoned athletes like just plans and target. Follow the numbers. I just watch Netflix or YouTube on trainer. Thanks again Andrew. Great reviews and very timely! As always, very detailed information on each app. But because I prefer riding outside, the simulators and virtual apps held little interest for me. Obviously that has changed. I can imagine that it is very difficult to cover every aspect of a particular app adequately. And that 4DP test can seem really daunting.
I have viewed it like taking a final exam, with my results forever shaping my destiny. Additionally, I treated as workout of immeasurable agony. Of course, it is neither of those. It has only 27 minutes of intense intervals. Treating it as just another workout has solved the dread of riding it. As a fellow numbers geek, my last Full Frontal test had an IF of.
I used rouvy, liked some of the rides. A bit of a pain. Next I guess is kinomap. Question to anyone. If you are just the normal recreational rider, no coach, no plan, just want to ride beautiful scenic rides that does well simulating those rides on my trainer, which is the best platform for that? Kinomap rouvy? Be sure to take full advantage of the search function! In addition to the map search, you can also find routes by filtering through classifications such as the average grade, distance, or total ascent.
That search is easily accessible through the website. Hi Ray — awesome review, as always. Great to hear you have a Peloton bike — I look forward to the review. One datapoint for your review — with the current CV situation, Peloton usage has boomed and nearly everybody is getting bad buffering problems. The Peloton IOS app has a class preload feature for times when you may have no internet access.
That feature is not available on the bike — but it needs to be. It would be a quick and easy fix to this annoying problem which is making the bike app almost unusable. The FB page is absolutely lit up with complaints. Regarding Tacx App…. Yeah, lots of options once you get the file. The way the. Same goes for any time bias, definitely on the app itself. I get my Peloton data into TP via Strava and Tapiriik — it kinda works sync is usually immediate but sometimes takes hours!
But if you know a better way, please share! You can look at the ZwiftPower history and there have been events in the last 7 days. So just over per day. Started writing this about two weeks ago. Joined Apr 24, Messages 23 Reaction score 5. Joined Jun 3, Messages 1 Reaction score 1. Awesome Job!!!! Jackil Member. Joined Jun 10, Messages 13 Reaction score 0. Joined Apr 28, Messages 1 Reaction score 0. Joined Jun 27, Messages 8 Reaction score 0.
I have to agree.. Joined Feb 23, Messages 4 Reaction score 1. Twizp New Member. Joined Apr 7, Messages 7 Reaction score 0. Thanks so much man, you're great at this. Not one single trainer from you has given me problems. Netflix Our picks of the best Netflix shows you can watch right now.
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